Comments on: The Death Cult Progeny of the Enlightenment http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/ Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:11:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: roger http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-2548 roger Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17:54 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-2548 Epsilon and Marcy, thank you both very much for your comments. I am glad Epsilon that you find my words of meaning. I only wish their meaningfulness did not refer to something so sad. I will contact you separately regarding computer stuff. Marcy, it is very good to have a new voice here. Not at all preachy! Now I suspect our views about activism might be more similar than you might perhaps think. So much activism is secular and as I have indicated elsewhere, I have little faith in any approaches that exclude faith and focus us on the purely material. This is much of what got us into the problem! However what I think is also indisputably central to the faith is the call to LOVE. The two great commandments ... Again it is the Holy Father himself that I have quoted about "economic and political resistance to combating the degradation of the environment. … The issue is all the more important in that the very future of some nations is at stake, particularly some island states." To my mind, this is an expression of the LOVE of the Holy Father. His first concern is souls of course, but his love reaches out to the people of the islands and low lying areas which are so gravely threatened. But I do not think we are disagreeing very profoundly, Marcy. I completely agree that as you say "activism should not be the main goal." And I am sure you will agree that Love takes many different forms and in my own bumbling way the above post was meant to support the loving call of the Holy Father. There is an activism stripped of Faith, often attacking Faith that I think neither you, nor myself nor the Holy Father have much hope in ... To say the least! Epsilon and Marcy, thank you both very much for your comments. I am glad Epsilon that you find my words of meaning. I only wish their meaningfulness did not refer to something so sad. I will contact you separately regarding computer stuff.

Marcy, it is very good to have a new voice here. Not at all preachy! Now I suspect our views about activism might be more similar than you might perhaps think.

So much activism is secular and as I have indicated elsewhere, I have little faith in any approaches that exclude faith and focus us on the purely material. This is much of what got us into the problem!

However what I think is also indisputably central to the faith is the call to LOVE. The two great commandments …

Again it is the Holy Father himself that I have quoted about

“economic and political resistance to combating the degradation of the environment. … The issue is all the more important in that the very future of some nations is at stake, particularly some island states.”

To my mind, this is an expression of the LOVE of the Holy Father. His first concern is souls of course, but his love reaches out to the people of the islands and low lying areas which are so gravely threatened.

But I do not think we are disagreeing very profoundly, Marcy. I completely agree that as you say

“activism should not be the main goal.”

And I am sure you will agree that Love takes many different forms and in my own bumbling way the above post was meant to support the loving call of the Holy Father.

There is an activism stripped of Faith, often attacking Faith that I think neither you, nor myself nor the Holy Father have much hope in … To say the least!

]]> By: Marcy http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-2547 Marcy Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:52:09 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-2547 Roger, Hello! I can understand your growing concern regarding the economic and political resistance to combating the degradation of the enviroment. Sustaining human life does depend on having access to clean water and ground. However, it may be good to bear in mind that while working for a cleaner enviroment, this type of activism will not in itself get us to Heaven. So our main focus must always be on our primary goal of this earthly life, as Catholics, which is to save our own soul. This doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye toward problems in this world, but activism should not be the main goal. I hope this doesn't sound too preachy! By the way, I'm also a former New-Ager, and former liberal, too. God bless you! Roger,

Hello! I can understand your growing concern regarding the economic and political resistance to combating the degradation of the enviroment. Sustaining human life does depend on having access to clean water and ground. However, it may be good to bear in mind that while working for a cleaner enviroment, this type of activism will not in itself get us to Heaven. So our main focus must always be on our primary goal of this earthly life, as Catholics, which is to save our own soul. This doesn’t mean that we should turn a blind eye toward problems in this world, but activism should not be the main goal. I hope this doesn’t sound too preachy!
By the way, I’m also a former New-Ager, and former liberal, too. God bless you!

]]> By: epsilon http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-2543 epsilon Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:26:48 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-2543 Hello Roger - have just re-read this post - it is so profound! Are you still having problems with accessing my blog? My internet access has been very patchy recently - the engineers are trying to help but can't find the fault yet:) I tried to send this comment earlier but then pressed "bookmark the permalink" (even though I don't know what it's supposed to do!) and lost the comment... Hello Roger – have just re-read this post – it is so profound! Are you still having problems with accessing my blog? My internet access has been very patchy recently – the engineers are trying to help but can’t find the fault yet:)

I tried to send this comment earlier but then pressed “bookmark the permalink” (even though I don’t know what it’s supposed to do!) and lost the comment…

]]> By: roger http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 roger Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:35:44 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-1788 A belated and warm <em>thank you </em>for these comments, Epsilon. I am far removed these days from both British culture and modern technology (<em>no</em> idea what BBC iPlayer might be!) but I appreciate getting senses of all this from you here and at your blog so clearly from the heart (which by the way, I haven´t seen lately. Everytime I tried to load it, it crashed immediately! You might want to know that in case others have the same problem.) Your defense of human life and much else is very moving ... And what can be said to this: "Even if climate change wasn’t a problem, shouldn’t we be totally committed to simple living so the world’s resources are more accessible to all?" if not: <em>Amen</em>. A belated and warm thank you for these comments, Epsilon. I am far removed these days from both British culture and modern technology (no idea what BBC iPlayer might be!) but I appreciate getting senses of all this from you here and at your blog so clearly from the heart (which by the way, I haven´t seen lately. Everytime I tried to load it, it crashed immediately! You might want to know that in case others have the same problem.)

Your defense of human life and much else is very moving …

And what can be said to this:

“Even if climate change wasn’t a problem, shouldn’t we be totally committed to simple living so the world’s resources are more accessible to all?”

if not: Amen.

]]> By: epsilon http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-1766 epsilon Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:44:32 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-1766 Even more telling about how "enlightment" has completely taken over - was seeing Terry Pratchet and co the other day in their cosy little ivory tower waxing lyrical about the right to decide when you are going to die. Even more telling about how “enlightment” has completely taken over – was seeing Terry Pratchet and co the other day in their cosy little ivory tower waxing lyrical about the right to decide when you are going to die.

]]> By: epsilon http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2010/02/the-death-cult-progeny-of-the-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-1765 epsilon Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:24:10 +0000 http://corjesusacratissimum.org/?p=1742#comment-1765 I concur with everything you say here, Roger. Watching Question Time on BBC iPlayer last night was a testament to how we no longer see the difference between bad and good. Evidently 75% of Telegraph readers (not exactly what you'd call way-out lefties!!) believe we should allow assisted suicide. However, there's still hope for us all when George Galloway and Melanie Philips were in total agreement that assisted suicide must never be allowed. On the matter of trad catholics blanking out what BXVI has to say on environmental issues, there are certain elements amongst traditionalist catholics who have an air of varying degrees of snobbery. Snobbery against other catholics, other christians, other religions and against secular popular movements. As if we can separate ourselves from the world! Even if climate change wasn't a problem, shouldn't we be totally committed to simple living so the world's resources are more accessible to all? Pope Benedict is not only a learned man but is humble and holy. He is a powerful leader. One of the most exemplary ways he leads is to keep his own preferences to himself, while gently encouraging by example. My understanding of what he has just urged the bishops of E and W to do is to speak the truth with one voice. If we in turn cannot speak with one voice then we have no alternative but to pour all our energy into prayer... I concur with everything you say here, Roger. Watching Question Time on BBC iPlayer last night was a testament to how we no longer see the difference between bad and good. Evidently 75% of Telegraph readers (not exactly what you’d call way-out lefties!!) believe we should allow assisted suicide. However, there’s still hope for us all when George Galloway and Melanie Philips were in total agreement that assisted suicide must never be allowed.

On the matter of trad catholics blanking out what BXVI has to say on environmental issues, there are certain elements amongst traditionalist catholics who have an air of varying degrees of snobbery. Snobbery against other catholics, other christians, other religions and against secular popular movements. As if we can separate ourselves from the world! Even if climate change wasn’t a problem, shouldn’t we be totally committed to simple living so the world’s resources are more accessible to all?

Pope Benedict is not only a learned man but is humble and holy. He is a powerful leader. One of the most exemplary ways he leads is to keep his own preferences to himself, while gently encouraging by example. My understanding of what he has just urged the bishops of E and W to do is to speak the truth with one voice. If we in turn cannot speak with one voice then we have no alternative but to pour all our energy into prayer…

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